I have been meditating on the similarity between de-sharded investigators and 'shades' from mythology as seen in the...
I have been meditating on the similarity between de-sharded investigators and 'shades' from mythology as seen in the Odyssey, the Aeneid and even in the bible: http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt08a28.htm#3. Are these tales ancient tales of de-sharding? And what does this tell us of the existence or location of Abaddon?
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt08a28.htm#3
http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt08a28.htm#3
Was Hamlet's father likewise a whisperer?
ReplyDeleteA shade signalling the end.
ReplyDeleteWith stories such as these in mind, perhaps #Abbadon is something greater than death. As in total eradication. Death in in the classical sense, and here in our knowledge of XM entanglement, there is the possibility of some sort of other worldly existence. Like in the story of Saul and Samuel, even though Samuel was dead, he spirit was able to be brought back and communed with. Likewise with deceased researchers. Roland Jarvis for example, even though dead, was able to speak to us through portals. His spirit or essence still existed in another plane.
ReplyDeletePerhaps #Abbadon is the destruction of even this. Total annihilation of a being. Where they no longer exist either here or in the next dimension. There is no longer any spirit to be brought back. There is no longer a patterned duplicate within the ultimate. Absolute and utter non existence. No ghost, no heaven, no hell. Nothing. Completely erased, and with absolutely no chance of retrieval.
So, are ghosts XM echos? or sharded beings that haven't had the proper ritual applied to re-house them in physical bodies? Either ties in with what Jarvis told us in the "Manifesto"--we've all been patterned.
ReplyDeleteDaniel Beaudoin - the discussion has been started in the Essex community - but death is a word that seems to be "redfined" in many aspects in relation to XM - so maybe not greater, but I agree something different in terms of thus defined existence, may "exist" :)
ReplyDeleteHow are shades related to muses? Are muses and shades two different pathways aka Shapers and N'Zeer???
ReplyDeletePaul Fritschle maybe both? We seem to have different aspects when looking at the sharded sensitives, Hank and Hubert - so maybe you have different aspects with XM entities?
ReplyDeleteWell, I know it is much more modern fiction but the suggestion also made me think of horcruxes and the "shade" existence of Voldemort in Harry Potter before he was physically re-manifested. This "tale" of being split/broken and other-worldly with a "presence" here and then "reborn", "reincarnated" or "resurrected" persists throughout our culture. Is it just humanity's desire to escape death or is there a deeper truth lurking below all these tales?
ReplyDeleteCasey Harmon and chaos, always the threat of Chaos that makes even its masters mad
ReplyDeleteWhen we saw Devra speak to Hank "shade" was the word that came to my mind as well. Quite an interesting comparison and I wonder if she chose her appearance (particularly her wardrobe) or if it was somehow cast upon her by her state of being. Perhaps even cast, like a projection, on her by Hank's mind and how he expected to see her in such a state and situation. Maybe he thought "shade" and that's what she became.
ReplyDeleteIt's interesting to see which cultures/religions consider contact with the spirits/dead to be acceptable or a desirable special talent, and those where contact with spirits/the dead is taboo.
ReplyDeleteAnd for cultures that continued to have an association with spirits/the dead after other societies had stopped (or developed with the taboo in place), which were considered "civilized."
It also brings to mind the Occult/Spiritualist movement of the second half of the 1800s… where after centuries of Judeo-Christian suppression of mediums/spirit talkers was broken and a craze of spirit contact broke among the "educated" middle and upper class. I wonder if there's a connection between the rise of spiritualism in the 1840s and the Diodati Epiphany twenty-four years earlier.
Totally agree with +Daniel Scherrer (ufufuo) . Sharding is not new, we just lost the knowledge about it over generations. Let me add that in my opinion most of us have been deprived of that knowledge. By false wars, diverting attention and misinformation. Like when roman empire burned library of alexandria or when the greates cultures (aztec, mayan ,..) were forced to forget their ancient truth by sword and gunpowder.
ReplyDeleteI'm still catching up on my investigation, and I haven't gotten to shards yet, but some observations on these stories as relates the questions Edgar Allan Wright poses. Samuel rises 'out of the ground/earth (erets)', fitting with the grave/pit metaphor, but the story makes explicit that Samuel was buried in Ramah (probably near Jerusalem) but raised out of the ground at ein-Dor, closer to the Sea of Galilee - about 90 km away. So while there are many myths that try to fix certain locations as 'the entrance to Hades' or the location of the 'Pit/Sheol/etc.' (I've walked past a sign for tourists in Turkey marking the entrance to Hades, and I've heard Jewish myths that place the fallen Watchers of Genesis 6/Enoch specifically underneath Mt. Hermon 'in chains of darkness awaiting judgment' a la Jude and 2 Peter - you can ski there now), the notion that Samuel could rise wherever the witch happened to call, and the very ubiquity of these stories of locations of the Pit seems to indicate that the location is not (entirely) confined by our spatial dimensions.
ReplyDeleteAlso interesting to note that the witch in 1 Sam 28 calls Samuel an 'elohim' - which means a god. The word elohim typically is used of Yahweh, the head divine being in the Jewish myths, but it is used to describe a host of other divine beings (see Psalm 82:1: Elohim has taken his place among the divine council, in the midst of the elohim he holds judgment). Whatever transformation happened at Samuel's death, he ranks amongst the elohim. Unless the witch was mistaken, but we are given no indication of this in the text.
CGB Spender There is also an indication in the text that the Witch of Endor was surprised to have actually raised Samuel for real. A parallel to Calvin being stunned when Jarvis appeared in the portal in the lab on Epiphany Night?
ReplyDeleteOf course, I might be overthinking my comment about spatial dimensions. Maybe anywhere you are, if you go down far enough, you hit Abaddon, which is why any old cave could (and many did) get the reputation of being the entrance. This certainly meshes with the image in Job 31:12 of a fire consuming as far as Abaddon parallel to the next line: so far into the ground that all the crop's roots are destroyed (though in Job 31, Abaddon is perhaps a metaphor for the womb, and the 'roots of my increase' refer to children rather than plants - it's a passage to do with adultery, but it parallels/echoes Deuteronomy 32:22 where the same imagery and similar language is used: a fire burning to the Pit/Grave (Sheol in this verse, not Abaddon), consuming the earth and it's increase/produce, setting fire to the foundations of the mountains.
ReplyDeleteThis idea of Abaddon everywhere beneath us, but with certain locations rumored to be access points makes me think of Portals. Could XM bubble up from Abaddon? (Forgive me if investigators already know what XM is - I'm still catching up on the backlog.) What relationship might this (XM or shards) have with Abaddon (personified) opening the pit and smoke and locusts flying out in Revelation 9?
It's also interesting that the dreams and visions of the Jewish leaders are divine and proper, but the work of a "witch" (female and not part of the Jewish hierarchy) had been banned.
ReplyDeleteMildred Cady the distinction was between talking to spirits of the dead (which was prohibited) and getting visions from or talking to elohim. Which might not have been a gender based distinction (unless talking to the dead was specifically feminine magic). Perhaps the medium's surprise (Paul Fritschle) has to do with Samuel coming back as an elohim when she was expecting something else. Or perhaps, a bit like Whoopie Goldberg's character in Ghost, she was a fraud and was startled when suddenly her fakery brought up something real.
ReplyDeleteFurther tracing Abaddon through the literature I ran into an interesting passage in the Babylonian Talmud that lists Abaddon as one of seven names for Gehenna, but what interested me in relation to my previous post was the Talmudic representation of Abaddon having multiple gates: one in Jerusalem, one in the wilderness, one in the sea.
ReplyDeletequestion - Paul School mentioned messages maybe coming from Stein Lightman and perhaps others - I do not think we saw these directly - but - could the appearance of more and more glyph like and other references in different media sources, as you mentioned Edgar Allan Wright be Stein and others trying to reach out? https://plus.google.com/u/0/109763890472937053947/posts/Z7XMgcevt3i
ReplyDeleteDaniel Scherrer
ReplyDeleteBut remember, one religion's demons are often the gods of the neighbor they're fighting with.
And with strange aeons even death may die
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